Israel's controversial intelligence service

Does Mossad really make Israel safer?

In the wake of the assassination of a Hamas leader in Dubai, presumably by Mossad, the agency’s effectiveness, attitude and leadership are under scrutiny

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Extranjero wrote:
Feb 25th 2010 4:50 GMT

Stephen Spielberg's movie Munich is a perfect reality that shows Mossad does not make Israel safer.

Does Shin Bet make Israel safer? How angry do the Palestinians get when they see Palestinians beaten to death in public by Shin Bet?

FFScotland wrote:
Feb 25th 2010 5:31 GMT

Mossad becomes more like the Mafia by the day. Ostensibly it has a function - not to make money in this case, but to stop bad things happening to the State of Israel. But it gets more and more obsessed with the cult of killing.

DePetris wrote:
Feb 25th 2010 6:58 GMT

While it is certainly hard to pinpoint with complete accuracy, Mossad has kept Israel relatively safe from potential attacks. The agency is small, yet highly effective in what they do. Intelligence agencies and clandestine network throughout the world view the Israeli spy service as the most proficient in these types of sophisticated operations. The fact that Mossad officials are able to infiltrate hostile territory- like Syria, the Gaza Strip, and Lebanon- with ease demonstrates how meticulous the organization is. Hezbollah and Hamas- the Islamic militants responsible for most of Israel's troubles over the past few years- know this full well. In fact, the assassination of a top Hamas commander in Dubai only confirms this in their minds.

Yet while Mossad may be a highly successful entity in counterterrorism, you have to wonder why they picked the United Arab Emirates as the location for the killing. Did they assume that Dubai authorities would give Israel a pass in the name of national-security? If so, they forgot the whole concept of sovereignty.

Questions about the assassination continue to circulate, and I suspect we will probably hear more news from Dubai authorities in the coming weeks. But what is clear is that Mossad made a tactical error; they embarrassed a moderate Arab country in front of the international community. Israel needs all the help it can get in terms of aid and recognition. Enemies of Israel are prevalent throughout the Middle East, and even traditional allies are becoming less sympathetic to Israel's aims. Yet despite these circumstances, they chose to alienate an Arab state that is both pro-western and ideologically moderate.

It's too early to tell, but this incident could severely degrade relations between Israel and the UAE. The last thing the Israeli Government wants is another angry Muslim country.

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WTraveler wrote:
Feb 25th 2010 7:27 GMT

The Israeli assassination of a Hamas official in Dubai will not make Israel any safer; however, it will damage the safety of those whose identities were stolen by Mossad. Israel has been killing Palestinians since their state was founded; have these killings increased Israel's security by one iota? Time to try a different approach for peace: agree to a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders.

Graeme A wrote:
Feb 25th 2010 9:26 GMT

The Mossad and Shabak are condescending and that inhibits peacemaking?
What a ridiculous statement - peacemaking is not within their scope.
If anyone is condescending it is the European media and Left wing public who offer endless judgements and dictates to the Israelis.
When will it sink in that after a 2000 year experimentation of the European "security umbrella" the Israelis are not interested in your neo-liberal pacifistic pious self righteous pontifications.

Feb 25th 2010 9:27 GMT

Excellent work Mossad (or whoever did it)

I don't subscribe to the UK policy of giving DSS cheques to terrorists.

And the funniest of all is the Brits moaning about illegal use of passports. What about the legality of the Iraq Invasion.

Nice try Mr Dubai policeman but you are just chasing shadows and a property meltdown

Graeme A wrote:
Feb 25th 2010 9:30 GMT

It may be worth noting that the question regarding the quality of service offered by the Shabak and Mossad is one to be answered by the Israeli public and government.
So far they appear more than satisfied.
The Israelis certainly aren't going to ask the Europeans to provide for their security, or indeed, ask them how best this end be achieved.

Gurpenname wrote:
Feb 25th 2010 9:33 GMT

Sir,

It is undeniable that the Mossad keeps Israel and Israelis safe - that is exactly why it causes such a furor amongst all those who wish Israel ill.

tzatz wrote:
Feb 25th 2010 9:50 GMT

What's another dead terrorist more or less … is this any different than the NATO 'hit' on a convoy in Afghanistan that killed 27 innocents? Yes … in this case it was an Israeli 'hit' … NOT a NATO hit.

What's clear is there's been a furious push of late … say the last 15 years for sure … to delegitimize the State of Israel and any actions it may or may not be responsible for … to make itself safe.

I just left a University lecture arguing for the fact that the 'The Zionist Project is a Colonialist Project' … is a GIVEN. No arguments there … LOL … a serious discussion about a 'paper' or an upcoming book that says … essentially … archeology or anthropology … are grounded in bias … in this case a bias AGAINST a Palestinian narrative. Heaven forbid … there's a problem in LaLa Land … we call 'ACADEMIA' … politics and political bias 'TRUMP' … facts … that's because facts are manufactured … they can be made up?

Do you get it yet? They want it both ways these Arab/Muslim & Palestinian apologists … anyway as long as it's THEIR WAY.

tzatz wrote:
Feb 25th 2010 11:16 GMT

What’s even scarier … as Caroline Glick points out in her latest article … is how corrupt the thugocracy called the PA … and Abbas … really are … Froy.

The PA … you hate so much yourself … is a mafia organization … bent on its own survival and its vested interests … that is, putting as much money in their own pockets without regard to the needs of the Palestinian people. Read it and weep … Arab/Muslim apologists … the facts are clear … the road to hell is paved with good intentions … STOP THE BONEY SUPPLY TO THE THUGS … BE THEY ABBAS OR HAMAS … blow up the road … along with the PA …

There should be NO PALESTINIAN STATE … there needs to be a resolution to the issue of the statelessness of those Arab/Muslims living in the WB & Gaza … that resolution should be through attachment to Jordan & Egypt … just like it was in the ‘50’s & ’60’s … let Jordan & Egypt do the heavy lifting on this issue … Jordan & Egypt … the ‘New’ two state solution.

Graeme A wrote:
Feb 26th 2010 1:08 GMT

Can anyone explain why the same Left that uphold human rights, gay rights, animal rights, religious freedom, etc etc are falling over themselves to help the Arab states (who maintain NONE of these) undermine and ultimately destroy the only state in the Middle East that maintains ALL of these?
Is it their incredible obtuseness or is it just that classic inbred European hatred of anything Jewish?

Heshler wrote:
Feb 26th 2010 2:11 GMT

Not that I speak hebrew but wouldn't "shin bet" be the acronym for "shabak"? (Not the other way around)

NonGuru wrote:
Feb 26th 2010 3:29 GMT

It is true that the Israeli government its security organization, Mossad, is entitled to defend the state and citizens of Israel. However, they do not exist in an international vacuum. By choosing this course of action, Israel has shown its utter contempt for both friendly nations, e.g. Australia, and its own residents, e.g. those innocent people whose identities were stolen.

The is little hope for Israel or the ME if this paranoid worldview persists. Wasn't Netanyahu the PM in charge during the last big Israeli assasination debacle?

Feb 26th 2010 5:18 GMT

Mossad, Shabac, IDF… you know what? – Let's shut them all up, and then Israel will be the safest, right?

Everyone here knows: The day after all those are shut, Israel would be exterminated.

happyfish18 wrote:
Feb 26th 2010 9:43 GMT

Mossad & CIA is watching for Iran targets like a hawk whom they think posed the greatest danger to the Zionist. In fact, the CIA has forlicked with the Al Queda Anti-Iran terrorist outfit called Jundallah. This is called as the American's devil bargain.

The Iranians in fact score an intelligence coup by capturing its leader Rigi in mid-Air on his way from UAE to meet the CIA handlers in an American base in Kyrgyzstan.

Hitchhiker71 wrote:
Feb 26th 2010 11:50 GMT

Israel and its apologists are trying to bring Europeans into their 'civil war' with the Palestinians. Exactly like they did with the Americans. Hamas does not launch rockets on Europeans and does not send any bombers to Europe, Israel bombs Hamas and Hamas sends bombs back. The international act of terrorism that Israel probably stood behind and sponsored in Dubai will just put the lives of Europeans in danger and make them targets of suspicion whereever they travel in the world. Next time you enter an airport or check in a hotel and you hold a UK passport or a European one watch out for your back.

tzatz wrote:
Feb 26th 2010 3:14 GMT

You'd better watch your back … anyways …

Madrid bombing

London 7/7

and various other plots and acts … throughout the European Zone … not perpetrated/orchestrated by the Mossad/Jews/Israelis BUT rather by … the Arab/Muslim world

The Mossad has ties with all the European intelligence agencies … mutual benefit accrues to all … if information is shared …

The reality is … Israel is the canary in the coalmine … Israel is on the frontline of the Islamic jihad as if it were on the border with Pakistan/Afghanistan …

There's a war going on for the hearts and minds of the Arab/Muslim world … WE in the West need to PROVE OURSELVES DAILY that OUR WESTERN WAY is the ONLY WAY FORWARD into progress and a brighter future …

DON'T MISTAKE THE POINT … IT'S ABOUT OUR COLLECTIVE FUTURE … EUROPE/THE WEST/AMERICA/ISRAEL

Froy'' wrote:
Feb 26th 2010 4:36 GMT

You're right, Tzatz, thugs could only subcontract to do their dirty job... other thugs. Stop financing Israel's fig leaf. Dissolve the PA, let it collapse. Let Israel take care of the mess it has created. Let the world see what they are doing without any politically correct mask: apartheid. Erekat has already suggested so much. The two state solution is long dead. The South African solution awaits.

tzatz wrote:
Feb 26th 2010 8:12 GMT

"Let Israel take care of the mess it has created"

Again Froy … don't expect others to do things for YOU. The Arab/Muslim world and the Palestinians NEVER want to blame themselves for the pitiful position they find themselves in … IT MUST BE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT HAS CAUSED OUR MISERY … NO … NO … NO

YOU still don't get it Froy. The Pals have no one to blame except THEMSELVES. The Arab/Muslim world is a NOT-READY FOR PRIMETIME ZONE. They suck in most quantifiable indexes of life … that's on them!!!

The Israelis don't need the US money they've been given … it's used to buy US WEAPONS … if they didn't buy the US weapons … they'd have made their own JETS & TANKS et al (They already do … and could sell to whomever they wanted to sell to …

Again Froy … there will NEVER be a ONE STATE SOLUTION … the State of Israel is a Jewish State not an Arab State … there's enough Arab States around for any and all Arabs …

The Arabs must learn to make a viable country of their own … no one said democratic since there's no democratic country in the ME save and except Israel … but that's OK … maybe Arabs can't live in a democratic country … maybe they need dictatorships or thug states … anyways that's their way of life … I'm not judging their values or their level of their humanity … it is what it is …

CaoCao wrote:
Feb 27th 2010 2:19 GMT

Tzatz said:
"I'm not judging their values or their level of their humanity … it is what it is …"

Wow, and you're wondering why some people don't like you? Or wonder why some people think you have a superiority complex? Or might have no problem engaging in genocide? If you think a whole "race" or religion is less human than you, you are merely demonstrating that genocide can be performed by anyone. Congratulations for fueling the fire that is burning Israel.

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